Politics

California Approves $587 Billion High-Speed Rail Link to Hawaii

Nov 05, 2014

undereatunnellssCalifornia voters have overwhelmingly approved plans for a high-speed rail link to Hawaii.

According to election officials, Proposition 49 -- which would use public money to build a 2,600-mile-long undersea rail tunnel between Honolulu and Los Angeles -- passed with a resounding 78 percent of the vote.

The tunnel would be 185 times longer than the longest undersea tunnel in the world, the Seikan Tunnel in Japan. The total cost of the project is estimated at $587 billion and barring any court challenges construction is expected to begin in 2018.

“This is a great day for California,” says Walter Miller, leader of the Yes on 49 campaign. “Sure it’s relatively easy and cheap to fly to Hawaii. But why would you want to take a 5-hour flight, when you can take a 15-hour train ride in an underground tube?

“Here in California we’re disrupting the future of transportation with this tunnel. It’s going to be an enormous boost to our economy.”

California has a long history of high-speed rail boondoggles. Voters approved a $10 billion high speed rail link from San Francisco to Los Angeles in 2008, only to see its costs skyrocket sixfold in the years since. However, the astronomical cost of the Hawaii project seems not to trouble its supporters.

“Yeah, I guess that kind of seems like a lot of money,” says Chaz Whitman, a part-time juggler from Berkeley. “But those fat cat CEOs on Wall Street make more than $500 billion in a single day right? Let’s just raise taxes on them a little bit.

“Like there’s like so much money out there that we’re not using. It’s just like sitting there in rich people’s bank accounts. Why can’t we use that for like trains and parks and snacks and stuff. You know?”

Other “yes” voters were more motivated by the project's political and environmental benefits. Rebecca Watson, a sociology major at the University of California San Diego, sees the new railway as a symbol of collectivism over capitalism.

“Airplanes are part of the corporate-industrial complex,” she explains. “They’re built by multinational corporations like Boeing and Halliburton. Trains aren’t built by corporations. They’re built by the people, for the people.

“Plus, think about all the carbon emissions that we’re going to prevent. I mean flying on a plane is kind of like supporting Hitler you know. It’s like really really bad for the environment.”

The Hawaiian government has not yet announced a position on the rail tunnel. However, an adviser close to incoming Governor David Ige says his boss is leaning against the proposal.

“This is the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard. If California wants to build a tunnel, then go ahead. But we won’t be spending Hawaiian taxpayer money on this.”

  • Irene

    Are you kidding me????? California voters need to do their research before they vote. This is just crazy.

  • sudon’t

    Are you kidding? Wouldn’t you rather have a sleeper berth on this train than have to go through another airport, ever? Don’t you know there’ll be a bar car and a dining car? But hey, if you prefer the public humiliation of the TSA, followed by a packed ride on the flying bus, you’ll still have that option.
    As for me, I can’t wait until they open train service to the UK, and Africa.

  • ram1020

    I read the updates on this. The TSA will be screening passengers boarding this train. The quart bag holding 3oz. containers of liquids will be strictly enforced, since this will be travelling under water. Michelle Obama has demanded that only fruits and vegetables be served on this train since most travelers will be sedentary during this long trip, putting them at risk of developing obesity. The TSA will also be screening for allergens, such a gluten and peanuts, to assure safety for even the most sensitive passengers. The CDC has recommended that the Hawaiian terminal station be located on the Island of Molokai. In this way, if problems arise with diseases like Ebola, patients can be sent to an area with a history of handling deadly infectious diseases.

  • http://thelibertypoint.com/ The Liberty Point

    It is satire people, this was NOT on the ballot this past election.

  • Robert Harris

    You honestly believed this????

  • JeninFortWorth

    Lmao! Good one!

  • John Smith

    Almost all passenger rail in America disappeared decades ago because planes are cheaper and faster. Remember this when you are asked to fund rail programs that are crony capitalist projects aimed at enriching big donors.

  • billofthenorth

    No doubt it will be built going right through low income neighborhoods. Typical racist corporate boondoggle. :)

  • Violeta gill

    Yeah, I would remember voting no on this stupid thing if it was really on the ballot!

  • sudon’t

    Forget it, then. I’m taking a boat.

  • jorionwood

    Wait, people believed that this is real? Sure, Californians will pass about anything that is not thought through and has a ridiculously high expensive cost but c’mon…

  • jorionwood

    In my area, they are building a rail line called the SMART train. It should be called the SCAM train (Sonoma County and Marin). Of course, it is over budget by 4000% and besides the first go of it (if that ever happens), the train will only be used as a place to drink for bums who will get taxpayer subsidized SCAM train passes. Heck, the buses that go by you are rarely at 1/4 capacity. Really not thought through at all as it will be inconvenient unless you live and work along the rail lines.

  • Jeremy Friesner

    This design is wrong-headed. They should be building the tunnel to China instead. There are more business opportunities in China, and since the tunnel would go straight down, it can be 100% gravity-powered. 😉

  • robotsrule

    I think the gravity only works on the first half of the trip, the other half would be all straight up.

  • robotsrule

    By the way, does the thought of a malfunction or underwater earthquake at the halfway point freak you out as much as it does me?

  • Jeremy Friesner

    You’re right, but that’s a good thing. You build up all that speed on the way to the center, and then you want to start slowing down and stop just as you reach the other end. (Of course you need to keep all of the air evacuated out of the tunnel, otherwise wind resistance would slow you down too soon… but I’m sure any engineers that can dig that tunnel will be perfectly capable of solving that problem too ;))

  • mortonjack

    50%

  • Jason Aaron Moran

    by the way, this is not real…

  • ORAXX

    Acceleration due to gravity on the way down would be balanced by gravitational slowing on the way up. It wouldn’t take a whole lot of additional energy to complete the rest of the journey to the top.

  • robotsrule

    Knowing absolutely nothing about physics I’ll assume you’re right. We’re also talking about something that can’t happen right? Basically we can only tunnel so far down before the heat and pressure kills us. Or so that’s my understanding.

  • robotsrule

    Obviously. But underwater tunnels like England’s chunnel are real and the thought of getting stuck in it freaks me out. A theoretical tunnel under the Pacific would scare the bejeezus out of me. I’d never get in it.

  • ORAXX

    well…..it depends. It certainly would if you went deep enough, but at least in theory you could go part way around the world . Acceleration on the way down, would be slowed by deceleration on the way up, plus the inefficiency factor, i.e. deceleration due to mechanical and aero dynamical inefficiency.

  • http://thelibertypoint.com/ The Liberty Point

    You know what though, while it might be satire weird and strange things happen or are placed on the ballot in this state so it is not to far fetched!

  • Jason Aaron Moran

    not obviously based on most the people here believing it and others posting it on FB in a huff.

  • Shoto

    Wait, what? I thought this rail system went from San Bernardino to San Francisco, back down to Barstow (with a brief detour over to Vegas, just in case Elvis is doing a show), and then over to Hawaii, stopping only once to refuel in Catalina. Was I misinformed?

  • Shoto

    See? That’s the kind of outside-the-box thinking that will keep this economy moving forward…and/or straight down - because gravity. We’ll be eating egg rolls before lunchtime…

  • Shoto

    That’s why we need to flip the earth upside down for the return trip. Yeah, that could work…

  • Shoto

    I’m thinking you’ll probably need more than one “bar car” on this train….

  • Shoto

    Heat and pressure? That’s why we need the pressurized, asbestos suits. As long as you’ve properly attired (and that you don’t plan on breathing for the duration of the ride), you should be A-OK…

  • Shoto

    Nah…Just get one of those fancy double-hull tanker-type space ships and everything should turn out just fine.

  • Shoto

    What if the rail system gets up and running and then Chris Christie orders a traffic study and screws everything up? Hey…it could happen.

  • jernewm

    Will the train fare include food and will the train have a bar and casino? If not I’ll take a cruise ship.

  • alexio

    As long as taxpayer monies can be stolen, California will approve it…

  • Voice of reason (#1)

    These are the same group that are lobbying for legislation that would require that all submarines have screen doors.

  • Daniel Lynx Bernard
  • grace4given

    I just went on a boat to Hawaii from California. Trust me….it is a loooong way.

  • Pocho Basura

    ….will the tunnel have a pedestrian/bicycle path?

  • http://theobservatorium.blogspot.com/ Nate

    I heard it was going to be a bridge. Hmmm….

  • Ursus_Indomitus

    Dang, and I just put railroad wheels on my surfboard.

  • Oni

    This article is a joke. But a transcontinental railway between China and the US is actually something China is considering.

  • Jim_Macklin

    posted comments on ksccw.com, I gave my all, at least 10 minutes of deep thought…
    Making a tunnel under the floor of the ocean very risky, the trillions
    of dollars it would actually cost pale with the cost of rescuing people
    trapped under miles of water and rock.

    Much easier to build a floating tunnel, using carbon fiber nano-tubes to
    construct a series of modular sections, 6 lanes wide, floating on the
    ocean surface

    Traffic control would manage trains and private passenger cars so that
    the weight of trains and cars would not sink the tube/tunnels.

    A freight train would always have the 5 tunnels on either side be empty
    in order to prevent sinking below snorkel depth. Every mile of tunnel
    would have snorkel fresh air and exhaust transfer portals [port holes]
    so that greater weight in a tunnel section would sink the tunnel to
    increase water displacement.

    To do this, the circular cross sections would have a “roof” of an
    inverted triangle so that as weight increased, the water displacement
    would also increase.

    Every 50 miles a section 2 miles long would be submerged so the tunnel
    would be 150 feet below the surface so that surface ships could navigate
    from Seattle to Brisbane without having to sail to west of Hawaii
    before turning south bound.
    In order to make this financially viable, a tunnel all the way to
    Australia, China, Japan and India should be completed by 2056, but all
    those nations will have to begin paying a “transportation tax”
    immediately in order to create a fund that can be plun, er, spent on
    development of advanced technology and keep the entire project in the
    black.

    I have given this a great deal of thought, and it seems that the project
    will be completed at the same time as Kellogg across Wichita, KS [a public works project that will never be finished.

  • Jim_Macklin

    No, NO, the bridge is over the Mississippi River, will connect Minneapolis with New Orleans. :-)

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  • http://freedomsphoenix.com FascistNation

    funny

  • chitown

    I agree, this could definitely happen in real life in Kalifornia.

  • Tom G.

    I thought the article was real until I checked the dollar figure. The real cost is $587 GAZILLION. That’s when I knew the article was fake.

  • DudleysPa

    Well, how else are you going to keep the plankton out?

  • Daniel Nightshade

    earthquakes and underwater tunnels — not a good mix

  • G.A. ‘Bear’ Millsaps
  • Gene Dubois

    Actually, 100% (minus frictional losses). The first half of the way gravity accelerates you downward, then you start back up and gravity decelerates you, so that you reach the exit point at a perfect stop. :) Works great on paper.

  • Jeannie Huff

    You would not have to flip Earth for a trip to China because to get to China you would have to dig across (both in the Northern Hemisphere), if you dig down you come out in the Indian Ocean… which is fine we can just build an island there since we got lost on our way to Hawaii… either way it would still need more than one bar car. 😉

  • Shoto

    Slight problem: If we come out in the Indian Ocean, we have to make certain to steer around the missing Malaysian Airlines plane. I’m thinking we build an underwater bridge right over the wreckage…You know, for safety.

  • Harry_the_Horrible

    How can you tell? After all, it IS California.